TF2 Mafia - TOWN WIN

[Spaced]

Giver, your defense is not terrible. The reluctance to claim is in stark contrast to your blatant false claim last game, perhaps you learned from your past experience. That being said my vote will stay where it is for now. A solid claim would possibly be beneficial or just more lies, your survival tactic at this point seems to be "do the opposite of what got me lynched last game". The downfall to the claim is that due to it being D1 there are no ways to verify it other than by lynching or investigating/tracking in the night. I suppose if there were an ivestigative day action person it could be checked, but I am not even sure if such a role exists in this game.

Time keeps on ticking...into the future!

[>:3 Kleedrac]

Votecount for Day 1

• Giver (4): Fried Gold, VMDX, Mohrcas, Fried Gold, Mohrcas, Mohrcas, Fried Gold, Mohrcas, VMDX, Fried Gold, Atreus, CannonFodder, Fried Gold, Spaced
• Fried Gold (3): ParadoxDruid, Giver, CyberMonk
• Atreus (1): Fried Gold, Fried Gold, VMDX
• Spaced (0): Giver, Giver
• VMDX (0): ParadoxDruid, ParadoxDruid, Fried Gold, Fried Gold
• Mohrcas (0): Giver, Giver
• CannonFodder (0): Mohrcas, Mohrcas
• CyberMonk (0): Mohrcas, VMDX, Mohrcas, VMDX
• ParadoxDruid (0): Mohrcas, Mohrcas

Not Voting: Mohrcas

With 9 people still alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline for Day 1 is Tomorrow at 10PM so like a day and 5 hours from now.

[VMDX]

Giver's hesitancy to claim even at lynch - 1, and with Mohrcas and myself easily able to switch back our votes to him to drop the hammer, makes me feel that he is innocent... at the risk of putting Giver in danger during the night, why would he be hesitant to claim if he was something other than a vanilla BLU team member?

It is getting close so I will move my vote to Fried Gold, putting him at lynch - 1. We're getting close and it might be good to glean some information from him (and see who drops the hammer).

##Unvote
##Vote Fried Gold

[Fried Gold]

Fuck, maybe random voting isn't a good thing during random voting. Whodathunkit. I hope you turn back to Giver once I am lynched and it turns out I'm innocent. I would be happy to roleclaim if someone would put me back to lynch -2. If not I dont really see the point.

[Mohrcas]

Two things to point out. One, there aren't any vanilla anythings right now, unless scoot has no powers or something (doubtful). Two, both spies have been given cover stories so asking for a role claim this early is kind of a waste of time.

[Fried Gold]

Sigh. I am the Scout, Blue team's town-aligned friendly neighbor. My ability allows me to reveal my alignment to one of you. I suggest you vote on who I should reveal myself to. Of course, I could always be murdered in the night. Therefore, I won't be murdered in the night.

[Fried Gold]

Fuck all of you for making me roleclaim during the RANDOM. VOTING. STAGE.

I'm sticking with my vote for Giver.

[Spaced]

Sigh. I am the Scout, Blue team's town-aligned friendly neighbor. My ability allows me to reveal my alignment to one of you. I suggest you vote on who I should reveal myself to. Of course, I could always be murdered in the night. Therefore, I won't be murdered in the night.

That is an amazingly convenient role to have: Hey guys, I can role claim friendly neighbor and verify myself to ONE person.

Then the other scum could vouch for him and say he is who he says he is. Now that you have claimed who is to say it wont be like last game where we have a bunch of crazy destination, emulation, or blocking that could conveniently alter what will happen during the night phase. A good role to claim to have, offers the possibility of verification but the opportunities for the reveal to be tampered with are against you if you are scum or at least give you a good out so that you can send your "reveal" to your compatriot who will vouch for you.

That being said I don't want to hammerdrop you just yet, I am still waiting to see giver squirm a bit more. You at least claimed, giving a slim hope that you are who you say you are. Givers current defense is : come on guys, trust me you dont want me to claim just yet but I am super townie. The stark contrast between the two of you under pressure leads me to think you are who you say you are despite my suspicion and giver is trying to play a long con...but please don't be the slayerghede of this round, his deception almost won last round.

[Giver]

There's nothing else I can do to defend myself at this point. It's all up to you guys now. I've put forth my defense and if that's not enough, so be it.

[Fried Gold]

As such, I am willing to be lynched but only to put suspicions on: ParadoxDruid, Giver, CyberMonk, and VMDX. I am positive that at least 1 of them is a Spy as I have not been hammervoted yet. Giver's repeatedly weak defense and VMDX's bandwagoning (almost as bad as mine) put them at the top of my list.

[Fried Gold]

why would he be hesitant to claim if he was something other than a vanilla BLU team member?

It is getting close so I will move my vote to Fried Gold, putting him at lynch - 1. We're getting close and it might be good to glean some information from him (and see who drops the hammer).

This post in particular seems incredibly suspicious to me.

[Fried Gold]

That is an amazingly convenient role to have: Hey guys, I can role claim friendly neighbor and verify myself to ONE person.

Then the other scum could vouch for him and say he is who he says he is.

Which is why I suggested the town pick a person(s) to reveal myself to. Obviously you can't pick just 1 person to lessen the chance that the Mafia will kill my neighbor.

[Paradoxdruid]

Fuck all of you for making me roleclaim during the RANDOM. VOTING. STAGE.

I'm sticking with my vote for Giver.

I can't believe I'm typing this, but I actually think Fried might be telling the truth, so I'm gonna pull him back to lynch -2.

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[Paradoxdruid]

Fuck all of you for making me roleclaim during the RANDOM. VOTING. STAGE.

I'm sticking with my vote for Giver.

I can't believe I'm typing this, but I actually think Fried might be telling the truth, so I'm gonna pull him back to lynch -2.

##Unvote[/]

Typing on iPad, damn. ##Unvote

[Mohrcas]

Less than 24 hours to go. Weirdest game ever, folks. I think we're all getting a bit jaded. Anyway, we have Giver at lynch-1 and Fried Gold at lynch-2.

I propose that Fried Gold should reveal himself (snicker) to ParadoxDruid or CyberMonk. You three ok with that?

[Spaced]

Less than 24 hours to go. Weirdest game ever, folks. I think we're all getting a bit jaded. Anyway, we have Giver at lynch-1 and Fried Gold at lynch-2.

I propose that Fried Gold should reveal himself (snicker) to ParadoxDruid or CyberMonk. You three ok with that?

Fried Gold already stated that both ParadoxDruid and Cybermonk are suspected scum in his mind, I doubt a reveal to them if they are scum would help him out as then they could simply lie about the reveal. Fried Gold, provide a list of people you would be willing to disclose to and we can work with that. Mohrcas, I think he should disclose to you as you seem to be a voice of reason in this situation. I too feel that fried gold is telling the truth, or is incredibly convincing in his charade, my vote remains on giver and his weak defense despite being so close to lynch for a long period of time. With under 24 hours left in Day 1 I can safely say this is the slowest progress in a game of mafia this group has played, perhaps we are hunting ghosts, sins from games past, and pure paranoia. What I do know is that without a D1 lynch we gain no information other then what will be revealed when the eventual body shows up the morning of Day 2 unless the Dr (providing we have one) makes a lucky guess in the night action. I think giver is playing a dangerous game, is bluffing and it needs to be called.

[>:3 Kleedrac]

Votecount for Day 1

• Giver (4): Fried Gold, VMDX, Mohrcas, Fried Gold, Mohrcas, Mohrcas, Fried Gold, Mohrcas, VMDX, Fried Gold, Atreus, CannonFodder, Fried Gold, Spaced
• Fried Gold (3): ParadoxDruid, Giver, CyberMonk, VMDX, ParadoxDruid
• ParadoxDruid (0): Mohrcas, Mohrcas
• CyberMonk (0): Mohrcas, VMDX, Mohrcas, VMDX
• CannonFodder (0): Mohrcas, Mohrcas
• Mohrcas (0): Giver, Giver
• VMDX (0): ParadoxDruid, ParadoxDruid, Fried Gold, Fried Gold
• Spaced (0): Giver, Giver
• Atreus (0): Fried Gold, Fried Gold, VMDX, VMDX

Not Voting: ParadoxDruid, Mohrcas

With 9 people still alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline for Day 1 is 22 hours away!

[Fried Gold]

Right now, Mohrcas or Spaced. Depending on who is lynched and what their role is, I might change my mind about Paradox and CyberMonk. Best to keep the Spies guessing eh?

[VMDX]

I think Spaced's logic is sound. Fried Gold's roleclaim is also very convincing... sorry to have forced you to claim so early.

##Unvote

I am not quite sure about Giver though; his reluctance to claim, as I've said before, may make him an important Townie, or may just be vague enough to imply scum. It doesn't seem very likely that he'd be a normal Townie, otherwise there would be no hesitation in claiming.

If Giver were scum though, he'd be given a pretty good fake roleclaim to use, and I feel like he would have used that...

[Fried Gold]

Good point, I'm starting to lessen my suspicion of Giver as well. Not enough to lessen the pressure on him though.

[Spaced]

We have 2 votes outstanding, we have 2 people close to lynching. Random voting sucks, like the first people voted off the island in survivor.

That being said, of the two people currently leading in votes this is what we are provided with:

Fried Gold made a compelling reveal, in that it is possible it can be confirmed on Day 2 unless something wild happens in the night or scum take him out if he isn't protected by the doctor/protective power. If we lynch him on D1 we can confirm his claim but at the cost of his life. After he reveals himself it seems he reverts to a regular townie? That being said we will all know he is town for the rest of the game should he not be lynched and confirmed. If we lynch him we lose a townie that could have been confirmed or dealt with the next day.

Giver taking the alternate route of refusing a reveal despite continued pressure. There are a few reasons for this route:
1) he has an important role in the town and a reveal would compromise the town for the rest of the game (worst case scenario)
2) he is lying his face off, playing on our fears of option 1 to continue a con and pile on the bodies
3) he remembers his last attempt at a false role claim, although during D1 it would be safer to reveal but at the same time if he is unable to be the role he claims he has it will be quickly revealed and he can be lynched leaving the game with 1/2 the scum they had before. Even worse it could expose the other scum as we could track who has not been after giver so far...

I am fearful of option 1. We have as near a "sure thing"/safe bet in fried gold as a sacrificial lamb as we are likely to get for a D1 lynch, we would lose a confirmed townie with no further powers/scum and leave giver to continue on in the hopes he is whatever he isn't saying he is. If we go for giver we could lose anything from scum to the doctor/cop but gain the advantage of having a confirmed townie vote every following day.

[Fried Gold]

With only 9 players, lynching a townie could get ugly very quickly. However, I still feel it is necessary.

[Mohrcas]

Two things that we need to keep in mind. One, there are nine of us and nine classes. There's no reason to believe that we have any "vanilla" anythings, except perhaps Soldier (which would be lame-sauce). Two, there's no reason why Kleedrac shouldn't have given the spies a role to hide behind. It's likely that either we have a legitimate red spy, an illegitimate red spy, or doubles of something else.

Another little thing that just crossed my mind: the Meet the Spy video.

[Giver]

1) he has an important role in the town and a reveal would compromise the town for the rest of the game (worst case scenario)

This is right on the money. If you're still wary, at least one person oughta verify me tomorrow, and if you want you can investigate me tonight all you want. If you really want to lynch me, I suggest you wait until tomorrow. You might change your mind.

[Giver]

but gain the advantage of having a confirmed townie vote every following day.

Also, you have nobody to verify Fried_Gold's role until tomorrow. For all we know, HE'S playing the long game that you suggest I may be playing.

Realizing this, let's vote on who he should reveal himself to and pray to god it's not a scum. Until then, I remove my vote until tonight. I want to see what other people have to say.

##unvote

I vote FG reveals himself to Cybermonk.

[Atreus]

Revealing to CyberMonk works for me.

I'll go ahead and retract my vote for now, too, pending further developments later today. We really do need to decide on someone, though. Not using the daily lynch is no way to end day one

##Unvote

[Paradoxdruid]

After re-reading the thread under the assumption that Giver and Fried Gold are innocent (which isn't a sure thing, but both haven't been acting like I'd expect a ratted out Spy to act), the person I find most suspicious is CannonFodder. He posted several times about how busy he was (seriously folks, this excuse is getting lame. If you have enough time to post "I'm busy", you have enough time to scan the thread and make a snap judgment), then joined a and has been entirely silent since then.

##Vote CannonFodder

[VMDX]

Urgh, I just thought out all the scenarios of if Fried Gold was a Town/Mafia and if whomever he revealed to was Town/Mafia, what the implications would be, but it turned into a huge WIFOM argument

What I am surprised about is Giver's very blatant "LOOK AT ME I'M AT IMPORTANT TOWNIE THE DOC BETTER PROTECT ME TONIGHT" deal.

1) he has an important role in the town and a reveal would compromise the town for the rest of the game (worst case scenario)

This is right on the money. If you're still wary, at least one person oughta verify me tomorrow, and if you want you can investigate me tonight all you want. If you really want to lynch me, I suggest you wait until tomorrow. You might change your mind.

So maybe we wait until tomorrow. Maybe Giver has a one-shot power or something?

Also, I was thinking this too:

He posted several times about how busy he was (seriously folks, this excuse is getting lame. If you have enough time to post "I'm busy", you have enough time to scan the thread and make a snap judgment)

My suspicions are on CannonFodder (for relative silence) and Atreus (hasn't really posted thoughts/suspicions).

##Vote Atreus

[CyberMonk]

I'm fine with receiving the reveal if FG isn't lynched, but I'm also worried that being the target of said reveal will also make me a juicy target for a night kill in order to sow confusion and keep us second guessing. I'm also curious as to why I am the go-to "reveal to him" guy.

This is certainly a convoluted first round. We need to get a D1 lynch down, though, and before 10PM tonight (for the mod: is that 10PM CST?) Seeing as the momentum has shifted from FG, I feel I should switch my vote, but I'm really not sure where. I'm actually more suspicious of Giver now than I was before, but I think I'll go with the CannonFodder vote due to relative in-game silence.

##Unvote
##Vote CannonFodder

P.S. I seriously sat here for 20 minutes switching votes back and forth. Ugh. Confusing first round!

[CyberMonk]

Just clarified with Kleedrac on when D1 ends; we have about 7.5 hours from this point. This means that votes are due in by:

9PM PDT
10PM MDT
11PM CDT
12AM EDT

Let's get a move on!

[>:3 Kleedrac]

Votecount for Day 1

• Giver (3): Fried Gold, VMDX, Mohrcas, Fried Gold, Mohrcas, Mohrcas, Fried Gold, Mohrcas, VMDX, Fried Gold, Atreus, CannonFodder, Fried Gold, Spaced, Atreus
• CannonFodder (2): Mohrcas, Mohrcas, ParadoxDruid, CyberMonk
• Atreus (1): Fried Gold, Fried Gold, VMDX, VMDX, VMDX
• Spaced (0): Giver, Giver
• VMDX (0): ParadoxDruid, ParadoxDruid, Fried Gold, Fried Gold
• Mohrcas (0): Giver, Giver
• CyberMonk (0): Mohrcas, VMDX, Mohrcas, VMDX
• ParadoxDruid (0): Mohrcas, Mohrcas
• Fried Gold (0): ParadoxDruid, Giver, CyberMonk, VMDX, Giver, ParadoxDruid, VMDX, CyberMonk

Not Voting: Giver, Mohrcas, Atreus

With 9 people still alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline for Day 1 is Just 7 hours from now!!

[Fried Gold]

Please note: If all of you choose CyberMonk to be my reveal, I won't reveal myself to him for obvious reasons. So pick at least 2 like I said. Also, pending investigation,
##Unvote
##Vote CannonFodder
nothing Atreus has done seems out of place of his regular play style.

[VMDX]

nothing Atreus has done seems out of place of his regular play style.

Hehe, like being a Mafia Godfather!

I'll move my vote to CannonFodder, and I vote that you reveal to Spaced.

##Unvote
##Vote CannonFodder

[Giver]

Seeing as it sounds like this boy is going to get lynched, I'm going to wait and see his defense. After all, you gave me a chance.

[CyberMonk]

Another suspicion: what's up with Mohrcas? After his flurry of joke votes, he retracted his vote and hasn't made another since.

[Fried Gold]

And VMDX is still voting like a crazy person.

[CannonFodder]

Hi, hi i'm here. Coming back to the thread after a 7.5 hour first aid recert course, and the unrelated but time-occupying family-friends dinner to find myself in a rather sticky situation is rather worrying.

That said, I probably had enough time to at least make a post the day before yesterday. But the thing is, I'm not terribly good at defending a point through written text, especially when I'm still trying to get my head around how the game even works. As for my claim on jumping on the giver 'bandwagon', it was more of a decision than a wild mob-justice approach, I just couldn't articulate my thoughts in the right way.

The gut feeling still remains though, which is why i'm not rescinding my vote

[Mohrcas]

I haven't really been sure who to vote for. I toyed with the idea of throwing the hammer on Giver, but it was mostly motivated by a desire to get the day over with rather than any overt suspicion.

Also, look at Fried Gold's first post. Now look at this. Either ParadoxDruid is damned good, or there's foul play here.

[Fried Gold]

I still consider that part of the random voting stage Also I just liked fucking with Giver. Since you brought it up, my first post:

I got it, I got it! My role that is! Let's do this!

Was a throwaway hint at my role (though I didn't think I would have to use it so early).

[Mohrcas]

The vote was inconsequential; your throwaway hint was what I was referring to.